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Stirchley Forum Topics => Planning Applications => Topic started by: lynnew on June 02, 2016, 08:14:22 PM

Title: Fitness first/lidl application 2016/00664/pa
Post by: lynnew on June 02, 2016, 08:14:22 PM
Does anyone know about any progress on this application? Birmingham council website still just shows application as registered
Title: Re: Fitness first/lidl application 2016/00664/pa
Post by: Kwacky on June 08, 2016, 02:57:16 PM
A decision is due by the end of July.

From what I've heard the owner wants to sell, regardless. 
Title: Re: Fitness first/lidl application 2016/00664/pa
Post by: Kwacky on October 13, 2016, 12:06:28 PM
the application has been amended again.

Objections need to be lodged by 31st October.

Planning application 2016/00664/PA is still the number



https://eplanning.birmingham.gov.uk/Northgate/PlanningExplorer/Generic/StdDetails.aspx?PT=Planning+Applications+On-Line&TYPE=PL%2FPlanningPK.xml&PARAM0=786278&XSLT=%2FNorthgate%2FPlanningExplorer%2FSiteFiles%2FSkins%2FBirmingham%2Fxslt%2FPL%2FPLDetails.xslt&FT=Planning+Application+Details&PUBLIC=Y&XMLSIDE=%2FNorthgate%2FPlanningExplorer%2FSiteFiles%2FSkins%2FBirmingham%2FMenus%2FPL.xml&DAURI=PLANNING

Title: Re: Fitness first/lidl application 2016/00664/pa
Post by: Kwacky on October 13, 2016, 12:17:57 PM
The fitness first gym is the only gym in the area, the closest alternatives are in Kings Heath or Cotteridge.  One is much smaller and the other is mostly free weights.  I use fitness first 3 times a week and in the evenings it is very busy catering for a wide range of ages.  It offers a varied selection  of activities with good support from helpful and knowledgeable staff. 

The bowling alley frequently has offers for families which we take up.  It's a nice friendly venue and a good place to go with my wife and two children.  There is nothing similar for quite a distance.

On the other hand there are plenty of shops available.  The co-op is close by as is Farmfoods and a smaller supermarket on the high street.  There is no business requirement for an additional supermarket.

Tesco maintain their intention to build a supermarket.  If they do so and this application is granted we will have 4 supermarkets within a square mile, but no gym and no family based activity centre for older children. 

The removal of fitness first and PSL will erode two key community centres.  At a time when health is a key concern it makes little sense to replace two activity centres with yet another food store.

Lidl cannot demonstrate the requirement for another supermarket in this area when it is already well served by several large and small food and grocery outlets. 

If the council are minded to give permission for Lidl to build in the area may I suggest that first Tesco be put to task to commit firmly its intentions in Stirchley either way.

The staff at fitness first are trained and qualified and would struggle to find alternative employment.

The traffic in the area is already heavy and congested for most of the day. The recent changes to the road layout have done little to alleviate the issue. The introduction of a supermarkket outside a busy road and opposite and near to other busy junctions will increase road traffic congestion.

That traffic is due to increase with the building of additional properties further along the Perhsore Road at the other end of Stirchley. 

Stirchley High street will be affected  by the introduction of another supermarket, just as it is beginning to develop.  Shops such as PCafe, Wildcat Tap and Loaf improve the area, another supermarket will not.
 
National planning guidance PPS6 states that “to deliver the Government’s objective of promoting vital and viable town centres, development should be focused in existing centres in order to strengthen and, where appropriate, regenerate them.”

By approving construction of another supermarket whilst replacing existing useful business the local authority will be directly contravening this guidance.
Title: Re: Fitness first/lidl application 2016/00664/pa
Post by: Brain80 on October 18, 2016, 04:35:00 PM
I lodged my objection against the original PA, and its the same ref so I pfresume my objection still stands? Or do I need to add again?
Title: Re: Fitness first/lidl application 2016/00664/pa
Post by: suzysue on October 18, 2016, 06:22:57 PM
Good question I'd object again as will I
Title: Re: Fitness first/lidl application 2016/00664/pa
Post by: Kwacky on October 24, 2016, 12:49:20 PM
you need to object again. 
Title: Re: Fitness first/lidl application 2016/00664/pa
Post by: Brain80 on October 25, 2016, 09:31:57 PM
You're right Kwacky.just found my letter explaining the plans have changed and it does mention objecting again . Objection done! Again!
Both me and my husband have just started going based on ur advice the other week (via twitter) and I'm really enjoying it I'm signing up properly tomorrow for 12 months , and they've waived the joining fee ! My husband has already joined up and that was something I thought I'd never see as he's been going iron works for 20 yrs!
Title: Re: Fitness first/lidl application 2016/00664/pa
Post by: Kwacky on October 30, 2016, 08:35:57 PM
Glad to hear you're both enjoying it,  I've not been for a couple of weeks but I've been away.  Back at it this week. 
Title: Re: Fitness first/lidl application 2016/00664/pa
Post by: RippleRoad on November 02, 2016, 09:25:59 PM
objected.....AGAIN  :)
Title: Re: Fitness first/lidl application 2016/00664/pa
Post by: oldboy81 on November 14, 2016, 12:49:17 PM
Fitness First is not just a gym which contributes to keeping Stirchley residents healthy and well. It is a modern version of a community centre, where families, late teens to senior citizens meet up and are an active community. It is the only gym in this half of the city you could say is a true health and fitness club. The personal trainers are all so professional and fantastic. They are polite to everyone and respect is promoted as a key value of the club. The student population use it regularly too, and many 2nd 3rd year and post grads use Fitness First over the University gym because they move into Stirchley in their later years. The club could benefit from having a refurb, there's enough land for example to build a pool and possibly extend the club's catering facilities to make room for a healthy cafe.  Sainsburies at the Maypole has a gym but unfortunately this wouldn't work for the FF site in Stirchley and the business model for Lidl would be anything but accomodating of such a facility. 

As for the Stirchley Bowling alley, this has been around since the 80s and people travel here from all over South Birmingham. It would be a huge shame to end this Birmingham establishments long history because of a supermarket.

Cllr Mary Locke will be at the Stirchley Forum this evening. 14th November and everyone should urge Mary to make a fuss about the gym in any council meeting she can. It is diabolical that Lidl could create 20 jobs, but also cut another 20 or 30 in the process....???

But, have we established if Fitness First has made a bid to purchase the site from the landlord? Is this on the cards too?

As one very sensible member on here stated:
 
"National planning guidance PPS6 states that “to deliver the Government’s objective of promoting vital and viable town centres, development should be focused in existing centres in order to strengthen and, where appropriate, regenerate them.”

By approving construction of another supermarket whilst replacing existing useful business the local authority will be directly contravening this guidance."
Title: Re: Fitness first/lidl application 2016/00664/pa
Post by: Kwacky on November 14, 2016, 04:37:53 PM
My understanding is that Fitness First is not in a position to invest in property.  Although they turned a profit they were looking for buyers earlier in the year. 

Title: Re: Fitness first/lidl application 2016/00664/pa
Post by: atomicjam on December 08, 2016, 05:46:02 PM
'Councillors have thrown out plans to replace a popular bowling alley and gym with discount superstore Lidl'.

Story here:-

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/business/lidl-plans-thrown-out-save-12291892
Title: Re: Fitness first/lidl application 2016/00664/pa
Post by: Kwacky on December 13, 2016, 12:02:46 PM
Great news.  Let's hope that is the last of it.
Title: Re: Fitness first/lidl application 2016/00664/pa
Post by: Chris on December 14, 2016, 10:13:11 AM
I believe LIDL will be appealing, and as the vote was only 6-5 against them they could well still win.
Title: Re: Fitness first/lidl application 2016/00664/pa
Post by: Dave on December 15, 2016, 09:38:24 AM
It's not such great news for the many Stirchley residents who are on low incomes, unemployed, disabled, pensioners etc who will be stuck with the rip off Co Op.
Please realise that not all people have cars or are able to use public transportation to go further afield to find reasonably priced groceries :(
Title: Re: Fitness first/lidl application 2016/00664/pa
Post by: Kwacky on December 15, 2016, 01:59:21 PM
Farmfoods is next door to the co-op.

Most supermarkets offer a delivery service
Title: Re: Fitness first/lidl application 2016/00664/pa
Post by: Dave on December 15, 2016, 08:44:16 PM
Farmfoods is not as cheap as LIDL.
Pensioners are unlikely to have large family freezers.
You have to pay extra for delivery........unless you are offering that service for free Kwacky :)
Title: Re: Fitness first/lidl application 2016/00664/pa
Post by: Kwacky on December 16, 2016, 11:47:43 AM
I can't carry much on a motorbike but if you're ever stuck for something feel free to give me a shout.

I appreciate your comments and your predicament, but at a time when more and more people are overweight and we're encouraged to exercise I feel that overall the community is better served by ensuring that the only real gym in the area is not closed down to make way for yet another supermarket. 
Title: Re: Fitness first/lidl application 2016/00664/pa
Post by: atomicjam on December 22, 2016, 12:57:58 PM
In a reversal, Planning just approved Lidl - 6-3 vote.
Title: Re: Fitness first/lidl application 2016/00664/pa
Post by: Kwacky on December 22, 2016, 01:47:01 PM
oh s**t

That's not good.
Title: Re: Fitness first/lidl application 2016/00664/pa
Post by: David vs Goliath on December 22, 2016, 04:09:12 PM
Tescos need to leave and turn the current site into housing and maybe easy gym or free gym site would be perfect,
The idea of a Lidl is useful to the community as it's a scaled down size store compared to enormous tesco plan that will suck all the life from the village

There is no way the tesco project will rejuvenate Stirchley, the locals will face increased congestion and the local businesses will all go out of businesses
As no one will be able to park and get to the shops with tesco on the doorstep
Title: Re: Fitness first/lidl application 2016/00664/pa
Post by: Kwacky on December 22, 2016, 04:36:41 PM
There's  no way Tesco would do that. 

It's such a shame that the idea of replacing a gym with a supermarket is so appealing to people.  I guess that's why we've got an obesity problem in this country. 
Title: Re: Fitness first/lidl application 2016/00664/pa
Post by: SuperStirchley on March 08, 2017, 07:43:09 PM
https://superstirchley.wordpress.com/2017/03/07/write-to-tesco-lidl/

In light of the recent news, local campaigners 'SuperStirchley' wanted to write to Tesco and Lidl.

SuperStirchley aren’t against Lidl. We want to keep our gym and bowling alley.

We want Tesco to consider selling a portion of their huge expanse of land in Stirchley to Lidl (and the rest for community ownership/housing/row of independent shops/extension to Hazelwell park/giant lido/theme park/ you name it…)

In all seriousness, it takes about a couple of minutes, possibly won’t make a difference, but definitely worth a try.

We have ready made templates here which you can edit as you see fit, feel free to copy us in sosuperstirchley@gmail.com :-

——

Matt Davies, Managing Director, Tesco Plc Matt.Davies@uk.tesco.com

Dave Lewis, CEO, Tesco Plc Dave.Lewis@uk.tesco.com

Tesco House, Shire Park

Kestrel Way, Welwyn Garden City 

AL7 1GA

 

Dear Sirs

RE:Tesco, Stirchley, Birmingham

I understand that your company has confirmed it will no longer be building a store at the above location.

I am sure you understand the disappointment this decision will have been to many residents in that and the surrounding area not to have a better quality supermarket in their vicinity. Obviously, this must be a disappointing business decision for you after many years in the planning.

You may be aware that Lidl intend to build on a nearby site which will completely eradicate one of Birmingham’s most popular gyms and a family bowling alley and the other entertainment that provides. They are currently a huge service to the community well above the intentions of Lidl’s.

Many residents and users are seeking direct and indirect actions to vent their anger and voice at our council’s planning decision. Whilst we continue to challenge BCC and Lidl a number of residents were wondering what Tesco could do to help our community with regards to saving those facilities especially in light of your company being a well-respected business in the market and the disappointment of you not continuing with your building of the store.

I am sure your own team would be able to suggest some practical ideas and suggestions but consideration could be to sell the land to the community, to Lidl or other proposals. This would clearly be a positive and supported accolade to you and Tesco’s.

I and/or several active residents would be only to pleased to meet with your representatives should you feel it helpful to all concerned. I can be contacted on the details provided.
Yours sincerely

—–

Christian Härtnagel Chief Executive christian.haertnagel@lidl.co.uk

Lidl UK GmbH, 19 Worple Road

Wimbledon, London, SW19 4JS

Dear Sir

RE:Lidl, Stirchley, Birmingham

As you will be aware Lidl are proposing to build a store on the site of Fitness First and PSL Bowling leisure centre in Stirchley, Birmingham.  If this proposal goes ahead it will result in the loss of both Fitness First and PSL Bowling, both who provide a huge service to the community.

It has recently been announced that Tesco have decided to pull out of their planned development in Stirchley and are now in the process of looking to sell.  The Tesco land in question has a larger footprint than your planned development on the Fitness First site and it is for this reason that the local community ask you to consider this, or a portion of this, as an alternative site for your new store, rather than demolishing a well used gym and leisure centre. 

I and/or several active residents would be only to pleased to meet with your representatives should you feel it helpful to all concerned. I can be contacted on the details provided.

Yours sincerely

https://superstirchley.wordpress.com/2017/03/07/write-to-tesco-lidl/
Title: Re: Fitness first/lidl application 2016/00664/pa
Post by: Dave on March 08, 2017, 09:00:33 PM
Even if LIDL were to consider changing location I am guessing the new surveys and planning required by them,  resubmitting planning applications etc would see the site still vacant for at least another 2 - 3 years.
That's not mentioning the monetary cost to them.
I just can't see it happening.
Title: Re: Fitness first/lidl application 2016/00664/pa
Post by: Kwacky on March 09, 2017, 06:39:48 PM
Good work from Superstirchley.
Title: Re: Fitness first/lidl application 2016/00664/pa
Post by: Kwacky on March 20, 2017, 08:39:43 PM
They're reporting on Twitter that the Lidl planning application has been quashed.  I don't know much more than that.
Title: Re: Fitness first/lidl application 2016/00664/pa
Post by: Chris on March 21, 2017, 09:25:01 AM
It was stated last night at the meeting with Planning officials at Stirchley Community Church that LIDL's appeal has been quashed. However it will be possible for LIDL to put forward a new application. The Planning Committee agreed that, in initially granting LIDL's appeal, they had given too little weight to the argument about lack of leisure facilities in the Stirchley area, so it may be difficult for LIDL to find a new approach to deal with this.
Title: Re: Fitness first/lidl application 2016/00664/pa
Post by: Kwacky on March 21, 2017, 04:31:04 PM
I suspect that Lidl will be looking elsewhere if that's the reason why it's been kicked out. 

Part of the cynic in me wonders if the recent decision was made a bit easier knowing that Tesco have some available land for sale in the area?  If Lidl are keen to move into B30 and Tesco are looking for a buyer then it could be a case of solving two problems in one go. 
Title: Re: Fitness first/lidl application 2016/00664/pa
Post by: JPitcock on March 22, 2017, 07:17:19 PM
"Selly Oak MP Steve McCabe wants inquiry to prevent repeat of error in which wrong advice was given to planning committee leading to permission being granted for controversial Lidl store"
www.birminghampost.co.uk/news/regional-affairs/inquiry-needed-prevent-repeat-councils-12778438
Title: Re: Fitness first/lidl application 2016/00664/pa
Post by: Kwacky on April 12, 2017, 03:55:46 PM
From what I'm hearing Lidl bought the land and have given notice to the businesses on the site.
Title: Re: Fitness first/lidl application 2016/00664/pa
Post by: Kwacky on May 31, 2017, 06:28:51 PM
It's a sad day as today is the last day for Fitness First.  It's a loss for the community.
Title: Re: Fitness first/lidl application 2016/00664/pa
Post by: Chris on June 01, 2017, 07:28:53 PM
I saw they were already removing the equipment this morning. As you say, sad day for our community.
Title: Re: Fitness first/lidl application 2016/00664/pa
Post by: JPitcock on June 15, 2017, 11:12:02 PM
There is an article in today's Birmingham Mail
www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/bowling-alley-porn-film-secretly-13191142
(a shame it highlights the salacious story).
Title: Re: Fitness first/lidl application 2016/00664/pa
Post by: Kwacky on June 21, 2017, 09:42:03 PM
I see the hoarding has gone up.  I suspect demolition will start soon. 
Title: Re: Fitness first/lidl application 2016/00664/pa
Post by: atomicjam on June 22, 2017, 07:16:26 PM
Maybe not so quick...

https://superstirchley.wordpress.com/2017/06/22/lidl-boards-up-stirchley-site-but-is-refused-permission-to-demolish/
Title: Re: Fitness first/lidl application 2016/00664/pa
Post by: Dave on June 23, 2017, 09:00:36 AM
Quote
It looks like there’s been a snag on demolition due to electric sub-station, which has to be worked around…

Exactly, a snag, a hiccup and certainly nothing insurmountable, quite easily fixed.

I'm more concerned about the nasty graffiti that will be on the hoardings very soon and for the duration of the demolition and, ultimately, the building and opening of the new LIDL.
Title: Re: Fitness first/lidl application 2016/00664/pa
Post by: The Concerned Resident on June 23, 2017, 06:10:45 PM
is it feasible and is there an appetite locally, to arrange a boycott of the lidl store for when it opens?

if its already being arranged, could anyone forward me a link to info?
Title: Re: Fitness first/lidl application 2016/00664/pa
Post by: Kwacky on June 30, 2017, 10:28:35 PM
There's nothing planned at present that I'm aware of.